tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post8332519661472728226..comments2024-01-17T15:05:50.120-06:00Comments on AngryBlackBitch: …so bloody exhausted…Shark-Fuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03323962708956637012noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-25140578369384207252007-08-27T09:45:00.000-05:002007-08-27T09:45:00.000-05:00"Shark Fu,As you know, the distance between cruelt..."Shark Fu,<BR/>As you know, the distance between cruelty to animals and cruelty to people is very short. When I was working in child protection, we would gets reports from animal control whenever they discovered an animal cruelty case where there were children, because they knew it was just a small step from the dog to the child."<BR/><BR/>This is so true... I keep hearing the "he didn't harm a human being", but people who really know dogfighting and think clearly about the situation know that's a false dichotomy. I recently read a <A HREF="http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2007/07/23/robert-smalley-animal-control-cop/" REL="nofollow">good analysis from an interview with an animal control officer (black) here in Atlanta.</A>atlasienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07242606440109684169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-56576874367110469452007-08-27T06:41:00.000-05:002007-08-27T06:41:00.000-05:00So, been thinkn about what "keeping it real" means...So, been thinkn about what "keeping it real" means. One of the kitties I am cat sitting for gave me the answer last night...<BR/><BR/>Keeping it real means not getting caught up in:<BR/><BR/>self to the exclusion of others<BR/><BR/>status<BR/><BR/>or imageFrogspondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16923000725803252894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-58026305756747904082007-08-26T22:24:00.000-05:002007-08-26T22:24:00.000-05:00ABB-Long-time reader, first-time commenter. Bless ...ABB-<BR/><BR/>Long-time reader, first-time commenter. <BR/><BR/>Bless you for teaching youth about why cruelty to animals is wrong. The entire Vick scenario makes me sick, and I can only hope that good people like you will use it to teach others compassion. <BR/><BR/>I try so hard to make this a better world for animals ... as a vegetarian who has done animal rescue work, doesn't buy leather, shops for cruelty-free products ... the comments people make defending Vick make me lose hope. <BR/><BR/>You give me hope back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-52167688792246243452007-08-25T16:41:00.000-05:002007-08-25T16:41:00.000-05:00Anonymous...um, I don't recall rejecting any comme...Anonymous...um, I don't recall rejecting any comments to this post. <BR/><BR/>Which Anonymous comment by Anonymous did I neglect to publish?<BR/><BR/>Blink.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and there is only one Mistress of Bitchitude who writes and moderates here...so trust that no "you guys" are involved in a damned thing.<BR/><BR/>Toodles...Shark-Fuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03323962708956637012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-4495129808699855892007-08-24T19:37:00.000-05:002007-08-24T19:37:00.000-05:00Dusty, then why on earth did *you* bring up abuse,...Dusty, then why on earth did *you* bring up abuse, and say Vick would get punished more than the average abuser?<BR/><BR/>Who is the idiot here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-61500933487529783162007-08-24T18:56:00.000-05:002007-08-24T18:56:00.000-05:00You guys were gutless not to publish my comment!You guys were gutless not to publish my comment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-47141136859903318872007-08-24T17:24:00.000-05:002007-08-24T17:24:00.000-05:00To the anonymous fool..Dog fighting is not the sam...To the anonymous fool..<BR/><BR/>Dog fighting is not the same as animal abuse in a court of law. Its a separate charge.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-13785019790112410622007-08-24T13:59:00.000-05:002007-08-24T13:59:00.000-05:00The police went to his house for a drug bust, not ...The police went to his house for a drug bust, not for dogs, the police were looking for somebody else not vick ,, they found dogs,dogs dogs, and dead dogs, not a good thing to have on YOUR property!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-30706902975953922332007-08-24T10:12:00.000-05:002007-08-24T10:12:00.000-05:00"In most states dog abuse is only a misdemeanor th..."In most states dog abuse is only a misdemeanor that is punishable by probation or at most 6 mos in the slammer."<BR/><BR/>No. Dog fighting is a felony in every state except Wyoming and Idaho.<BR/><BR/>Who cares if Vick didn't invent it? Who cares if it goes back centuries? The same is true of any contemporary wife-beater or murderer.<BR/><BR/>And Vick was not at all an average dog fighter, he was running and funding one of the top-tier dog fighting organizations. His organization was not average, it was a full-time, organized endeavor. The "average" dog fighter does not own a house for dog fighting purposes and employ an entourage of people to abuse and train the dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-88401622580632822872007-08-24T09:24:00.000-05:002007-08-24T09:24:00.000-05:00Dear Black Lady,I'm very sorry for the exasperatio...Dear Black Lady,<BR/>I'm very sorry for the exasperation you are experiencing from this. You are not alone. <BR/>You are a true hero for doing the things you do. Please don't lose faith.<BR/>Warmest regards,<BR/>SagaciousHillbillySagaciousHillbillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511441325695460501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-80748307503674392312007-08-24T08:06:00.000-05:002007-08-24T08:06:00.000-05:00I'm a middle-aged conservative white guy from Texa...I'm a middle-aged conservative white guy from Texas, probably the last person you'd expect to read, let alone post here. However, decency, compassion and honesty transcend all the other usual pigeonholes and stereotypes.<BR/><BR/>The second 'A' in NAACP stands for 'advancement'- to improve the image, lot and quality of life for Blacks (and really, all people).<BR/><BR/>This statement by the president of the NAACP Atlanta chapter does NOT further or improve the advancement. It is the statement of a person who is being opportunistic and leaves the impression that 'the content of his (Vick's) character' is not as important as the 'color of his skin'.<BR/><BR/>Martin Luther King would weep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-14522768000821644722007-08-24T07:18:00.000-05:002007-08-24T07:18:00.000-05:00Shark Fu,As you know, the distance between cruelty...Shark Fu,<BR/>As you know, the distance between cruelty to animals and cruelty to people is very short. When I was working in child protection, we would gets reports from animal control whenever they discovered an animal cruelty case where there were children, because they knew it was just a small step from the dog to the child.<BR/><BR/>Even if that were not true, animals deserve to be protected. Many of the young people you work with love animals. They can see this through the eyes of the animal in their household, or the animal next door who is fun to play with.Maya's Grannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12183715043200608144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-41427753439302748842007-08-23T21:31:00.000-05:002007-08-23T21:31:00.000-05:00What ProudProgressive said. and I had a teacher in...What ProudProgressive said. <BR/><BR/>and <BR/><BR/>I had a teacher in first grade that I will never forget. She stood up for me when I was defenseless and alone. She is a woman that to this day I admire and try to live up to. I don't know where she is today, I wish I did cause I would tell her thank you from the bottom of my heart. <BR/><BR/>I believe you are like her. I believe that your kids see it too. You are touching more people (parents too) than you think.Frogspondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16923000725803252894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-63789794765807867772007-08-23T21:02:00.000-05:002007-08-23T21:02:00.000-05:00It's not affecting only children of color, ABB. M...It's not affecting only children of color, ABB. My son, who loves wrestling, football and various other sports heroes thinks it is "awesome" that Vick was "keeping it real". I try to explain to my 11 year old why dog fighting is wrong. He gets it, but still...there is this man, larger than life with rings on his fingers and chains around his neck, driving his Escalade and saying, "it's cool". My son said, I feel so bad for him.<BR/><BR/>I was ready to cry.<BR/><BR/>CP.CPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266202135270130146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-10607374490047873862007-08-23T20:31:00.000-05:002007-08-23T20:31:00.000-05:00"How the hell am I supposed to polish this twisted..."How the hell am I supposed to polish this twisted shit up and put it into context for young people of color who are going to learn a from this case whether we want them or not" ABB<BR/><BR/><BR/> This will come naturally to you, the color issue here is a red herring. Class do you know what a red herring is ? ...<BR/> OK then, lets look at just what "keepin it real" means. What does it mean to these kids..ask them to define that thoughtfully. <BR/><BR/>What other role models are out there past and present who kept it real ? Cornell West jumped to my mind but the list of potential discoveries are endless. <BR/> bring it home - "keep it real" - Dog fighting,killing dogs that don't fight well, is sick , wrong, illegal, no matter who is doing it. <BR/> <BR/> What are the qualities of a role model? <BR/><BR/>There is a big difference between Jackie Robinson and Michael Vick. Vick is no role model and no victim of anything but his own flawed character. Role models compare and contrast. as you would say pause..reflect..continue. <BR/><BR/>The criminal justice system is very seriously flawed for black people,for poor people,for non violent offenders, for lots of folks, and yes mostly people of color. (about 2 million in jail as we type) The class could brainstorm on this issue. What are the answers in the face of injustices. There are no easy ones. <BR/><BR/>Me i see future lawyers being born by the seeds you may plant in that discussion. The law vs emotion on a layer cake of institutional racism. <BR/>Soo Naturally <BR/>A teacher type bitch who gets her "teech-er" on regularly, could delve into all the keepin it real role models. And why its so important to keep it real.<BR/><BR/>My guess is that would might tell em - they got you thinking and now its their turn...lol <BR/><BR/>Hope teaching to the damn test,does not hold you back - damn Congress and the Chimp, and the no child left behind act. <BR/><BR/>It ties the hands of all many excellent teachers out there. This is an existentialist course that could change a chid's life. <BR/><BR/> phew, got myself exhausted just thinking about it - no wonder you are too - its overwelming - and why its sooo important to get your chill on regularly - prevents burn out. Thanks for the post, and your honesty. <BR/><BR/>And you know no matter what you are doing more good, just by showing up and being YOU than you might imagine. Give yourself a break gal.<BR/><BR/> Tooo shark-fu with loooove - (me doing twisted lulu immatation of the to Sir with love) <BR/><BR/>yep i may be cracking up, yep yep finally happening *g*proudprogressivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05847907206540248082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-72630463434828219682007-08-23T19:38:00.000-05:002007-08-23T19:38:00.000-05:00you're speaking truth, ABB. Please take a break an...you're speaking truth, ABB. Please take a break and breathe, in and out, and look at people/things that give you joy. You need to be sure to balance the horror and stupidity we perpetrate on ourselves, and on each other - if not for peaceful, brilliant warriors like you, the world would be infinitely worse than it is...<BR/><BR/>much love from Tokyotokyoterrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407594204384557056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-89490755750583737662007-08-23T17:09:00.000-05:002007-08-23T17:09:00.000-05:00This has nothing to do with race or class. It has ...This has nothing to do with race or class. It has everything to do with sociopathic behavior which goes all the way up to the government in this society. Vick's, Cheney's, Bush's behaviors all learned. These guys have one thing in common they are sociopaths who don't care about anyone else. Cruelty is not a socio-economic thing. It is a behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-76522418484328483922007-08-23T17:05:00.000-05:002007-08-23T17:05:00.000-05:00I almost cried reading your post. I was angered by...I almost cried reading your post. I was angered by the stupid statements from Marbury and the NAACP, but I hadn't thought until now of how they could affect efforts to use the Vick situation to educate black youth about compassion, justice and those other things you mention. At least with Marbury, you can just point out this ain't a bright guy talkin'. But the NAACP ... jeez. <BR/>I notice both have backtracked on their remarks, but it's too late now. So much damage has been done.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10183891839987655906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-8765925161311260842007-08-23T15:40:00.000-05:002007-08-23T15:40:00.000-05:00Keep on treckingGood to know somebody out there ca...Keep on trecking<BR/>Good to know somebody out there cares to tryVickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07949475718470108935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-22660647166529006972007-08-23T15:02:00.000-05:002007-08-23T15:02:00.000-05:00I also would like to make a point about the whole ...I also would like to make a point about the whole issue of Dog fighting;<BR/><BR/>Vick will be doing far more time than the avg dog abuser does on any state level. In most states dog abuse is only a misdemeanor that is punishable by probation or at most 6 mos in the slammer.<BR/><BR/>If we as a nation are truly pissed off about dog fighting and abuse of animals in general..we need to address the issue of punishment fitting the crime. Vick just brought the whole issue of animal cruelty to the forefront..he didn't invent it, nor was he the first to get busted for dog fighting..a 'blood sport' that has a history that goes back centuries.<BR/><BR/>As some asshole on CNN said last week, he would of been better off raping a woman. That kind of mindset just trips me out and makes me want to slap the taste right out of his mouth for uttering such a phrase.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-57532603216183018252007-08-23T14:15:00.000-05:002007-08-23T14:15:00.000-05:00I hear allot of real spit over this situation. Som...I hear allot of real spit over this situation. Some defending his ass some want him to rot in hell for dog fighting and all it trapping. Shit going to jail until the publics short attention span fades on this issue maybe the safest place for dude.<BR/> Simple fact, Mike Vick fucked up. Who in the hell doesn’t know dog fighting is illegal. His homies rolled on him and now he’s copped a plea. Unless he’s snitching on someone else up the food chain, muthafucking Vick is going to jail.<BR/>Making teachable moments for our Black youth, I think the proudprogressive said it more succinct.<BR/>Keep your head up ABB! Keep your head up Black people! Be strong America!Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136154195878993665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-44809806731725566992007-08-23T14:05:00.001-05:002007-08-23T14:05:00.001-05:00Oh dear. It is a phenomenon. Sport figures are s...Oh dear. It is a phenomenon. Sport figures are so hyped as heroes when they are actually very competitive and aggressive. I understand that this country has a history of devaluing the accomplihments of African AMericans but dog fighting is vicious stuff...whoever is doing it, it's wrong.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07647472885003848528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-2376074206567028362007-08-23T14:05:00.000-05:002007-08-23T14:05:00.000-05:00My post is up about this today as well ABB at Sire...My post is up about this today as well ABB at Sirens and The Peace Train. I worry about the race issue being tossed into the mix here.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it possible that what he did transcends the color issue? To me it does.<BR/><BR/>He didnt' do something which was painted as a race engendered problem. Brown people do this type of endeavor as well. <BR/><BR/>So do white folks in the south. I know about the white folks doing it because I was taken to one of these types of disgusting fights by a new friend who thought it was a cool way to spend an evening in GA. when I lived there. I had to call a cab to leave..my 'friend' didn't understand my utter disgust and horror. Every face there was white. Every face there was also lower income..and I think its more of an income or class level(for want of a better term) issue than a color issue.<BR/><BR/>The whole thing reeked of machismo..seriously..the testosterone was so thick you could almost cut it with a knife. <BR/><BR/>It reminds me of when someone gets all badass on someone..for 'disrespecting' them..when in reality no such thing took place. It's a show of manliness to take part in this type of thing because the folks living in poverty have very little, if anything positive, to look up to in their own neighborhoods.<BR/><BR/>As a women of color..the color brown..I have lived in and still do actually, poverty-stricken neighborhoods. I see what passes for cool and its not pretty. Its about who can drink the most, who can act bad the most and who can kick the most ass. <BR/><BR/>The value system is broken at the poverty level and thats what we need to fix..and address.<BR/><BR/>ALso..as a brillant man once told me..Ignorance and stupidity are colorblind. <BR/><BR/>I hope this all makes sense, if not I apologize.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-5412372724625339742007-08-23T13:27:00.000-05:002007-08-23T13:27:00.000-05:00ABB, as a white gay man, I've only had to deal wit...ABB, as a white gay man, I've only had to deal with a fraction of what you describe, most memorably with Andrew Cunanan, the "homicidal homosexual" (thanks, Tom Brokaw) who killed Gianni Versace -- but you could also point to Mark Foley, and others.<BR/><BR/>All I can say is -- you ask really good questions. And I wish I had some answers.Red Sevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10374428870925284956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-12543124650810614022007-08-23T13:25:00.000-05:002007-08-23T13:25:00.000-05:00I saw part of a sports program last night-they wer...I saw part of a sports program last night-they were discussing the Vick case, and it seems like the NFL is concerned over the GAMBLING aspect. pause-blink-WHAAAAT? Not tortured and murdered dogs? On a more positive note, many Vick jerseys are being donated to an Atlanta animal shelter, and they are using them to line the cages.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193554132706114108noreply@blogger.com