tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post114849542089531207..comments2024-01-17T15:05:50.120-06:00Comments on AngryBlackBitch: Beware the FOSes...Shark-Fuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03323962708956637012noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1149008216163237672006-05-30T11:56:00.000-05:002006-05-30T11:56:00.000-05:00And, one more (existential) thing. . . Isn't life ...And, one more (existential) thing. . . Isn't life just a great big bowl of bull shit anyway?Hammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158589483955706818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1149008053509690472006-05-30T11:54:00.000-05:002006-05-30T11:54:00.000-05:00ABB--This is a funny post, I can't believe It took...ABB--<BR/><BR/>This is a funny post, I can't believe It took me so long to get to it.<BR/><BR/>So, I think a lot of people despise bullshit. I know I do...I feel like I don't have the time to deal with it.<BR/><BR/>However, being the humanist I am, I think the FOSers are really looking for answers. I mean, you've been in situations with ME, where I've tried to put a current Hammer/Che-ism to the test. I think that's how some people learn, grow and work towards some little bit of perfection. You know what I mean?<BR/><BR/>Now, do I think these discussions go over well in the 'real world' where decision need to be made? Hell no! I've been on formative committees that have fallen to shit because few people wanted to commit to action...they'd rather 'kitchen table' it...that's fucking full of shit behavior that I can't tolerate...<BR/><BR/>Since we are social individuals, we have to allow others to test their theories/ideas (in the proper arena). Otherwise, we'd never change and never understand others. . . TRAGEDY!<BR/><BR/>Peace!<BR/><BR/>HammerHammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158589483955706818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148689366990445372006-05-26T19:22:00.000-05:002006-05-26T19:22:00.000-05:00My least favourite FOS are the ultra-democrats.Tha...My least favourite FOS are the ultra-democrats.<BR/><BR/>That is, the ones who insist that every last decision be debated at length by people who claim the right to stop things but never take action.<BR/><BR/>Give someone a job and let them get on with it, dammnit.<BR/><BR/>Tangentally related to this topic: You're probably ahead of me Ms B, but are you aware of the argument of <A HREF="http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/hist_texts/structurelessness.html" REL="nofollow">"The Tyranny of Structurelessness"</A>? FOS seem to flourish in that sort of world.<BR/><BR/>Regards David JDavid Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01594699576390357505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148658151193997012006-05-26T10:42:00.000-05:002006-05-26T10:42:00.000-05:00Lord, yes. The FOS's are the Preventers of Gettin...Lord, yes. The FOS's are the Preventers of Getting Things Done.<BR/><BR/>The times when I have had the time and inclination to be active in an organization I wound up getting frustrated and dropping out because the FOS types sucked up all meeting time and did their best to block anyone from every actually DOING anything.geogrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935352129240009810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148565455454747012006-05-25T08:57:00.000-05:002006-05-25T08:57:00.000-05:00I want to get into non profit work. Will I be deal...I want to get into non profit work. Will I be dealing with a lot of FOSes? But wait, I'm often FOS myself, so I could fit right in.Cheetarah1980https://www.blogger.com/profile/07030323484936160187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148530263724836632006-05-24T23:11:00.000-05:002006-05-24T23:11:00.000-05:00Preach! Ain't it the truth? FOSs litter the hallwa...Preach! Ain't it the truth? FOSs litter the hallways of academe, usually propelled by some sense of personal grievance or political cover for their own overwhelming guilt at being an intellectual. To wit, all of the "activist-scholars" I know are making a WHOLE lot more money than I am, teaching less, and posing more. The process queens aren't interested in action, only positions. something I've always chalked up to our inheritance from classic Left thinking (the true origin of "politically correct") with its doctrinaire one-upsmanship that combines with the strange American sociopathology of refusnikism (Left, Right, up or down, most Americans will say "no" to anything that's not about them, 9 times out of 10). After a life time (seemingly) of these meetings, I've earned my place out of the sun (wink).Oso Rarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345231159759787852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148519121228935652006-05-24T20:05:00.000-05:002006-05-24T20:05:00.000-05:00you can find FOSes in abundance on internet politi...you can find FOSes in abundance on internet politics boards. always there to distract the conversation with absurdities that don't really warrant responses but get them anyway.<BR/><BR/>white bear, abb, if you catalogue it, i'll read it... and maybe add some characteristics that you may miss. allow me to get this started:<BR/><BR/>1) <B>non sequitur</B> arguers--ex: <I>we shouldn't have universal healthcare because jesus was a jew</I> (jaw to the floor, coherent arguments blown to shit--true, jesus was a jew, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in china???)<BR/>2) <B>ad hominem</B> debaters--ex: <I>gender equality? i'd argue the merits with you if you weren't so fat like michael moore. why are all communists fat?</I> (you just called me fat, and implied that i'm a fat communist like michael moore, the fat communist, and now i want to argue that you've misrepresented who i am and you've gotten me off the subject of gender equality... shit!)<BR/>3) <B>straw men and women</B>--ex: <I>there are some people who say mexicans with down's syndrome should automatically take teaching positions at Harvard thanks to affirmative action. i think Harvard professors should be qualified and have advanced degrees first.</I> (nobody says that, but the reasonable-sounding conclusion sure sounds reasonable compared to what the phantom "some people" say, doesn't it?)<BR/><BR/>seeing it is the first step to combatting it...leomangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10253348099287616819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148512256323628042006-05-24T18:10:00.000-05:002006-05-24T18:10:00.000-05:00I feel your pain.. Is there anything that can be d...I feel your pain.. Is there anything that can be done to stop the fos individual?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148508809815878932006-05-24T17:13:00.000-05:002006-05-24T17:13:00.000-05:00Yes. Oh, yes. In the world of non-profits it is ...Yes. Oh, yes. In the world of non-profits it is like a disease.<BR/><BR/>White Bear: Well, yeah, but in a blog comment you can always skip ahead when you start to get drowsy. In person this is much harder. If people confined their long off-topic harangues to blog comments, the world would be a brighter place.<BR/><BR/>(Reluctantly acknowledging that my own brilliant insights have undoubtably on more than one occasion been someone else's FOS tangent. Oh, well.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10755833.post-1148497406148516222006-05-24T14:03:00.000-05:002006-05-24T14:03:00.000-05:00Oh, my lord. Indeed. Need I also add that they are...Oh, my lord. Indeed. Need I also add that they are drawn to the most radical feminist and anti-racist blogs as well, where they pontificate by saying, "Now, I'm totally a feminist, which goes without saying, but maybe we need to realize that the objectification of women is not really related or important to women's rights!" Or, "Now, I'm totally against racism, which goes without saying, but let's face it; the issues of people of color are fringe issues, not related to the mainstream liberal movement!" AAAAAAAARGH! Then they waste everyone's time saying, "Oh, you're just willfully misreading me! I told you I'm a feminist and against racism!"<BR/><BR/>Maybe there should be a centralized FAQ for these Full-Of-Shits, so we could stop wasting so much of our time trying to explain why they're unwelcome hypocrites who need to do some serious homework reading and self-examination. What if we did this, ABB? Would this help?A White Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04378226135352153241noreply@blogger.com